On 8/1/13 12:54 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > In the case of a WG-forming BOF, it seems to me that a nucleus > of people willing and competent to do the work, and a good set of > arguments why the work needs to be done and how it will make the > Internet better, are more important than any kind of numbers game. Yes, and "Who here is planning on contributing to this effort if we're chartered?" is an entirely different question from "Who here thinks we should charter a working group?" Finding consensus is not simply a matter of asking a particular question at a given point in time. It's a process. I cannot recommend strongly enough that people spend time with Pete's document: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-resnick-on-consensus/ Melinda