Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

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On 27/07/2013 03:32, John C Klensin wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> For a newcomer or someone expecting to write I-Ds, some of the
> most important sessions at the IETF are the various Sunday
> afternoon tutorials and introductions.  Many of them are (or
> should be) of as much interest to remote participants as to f2f
> attendees.   Until and unless a newcomer's tutorial can be
> prepared that is focused on remote participants, even that
> session should be of interest.
> 
> For this particular meeting all of the following seem relevant
> to at least some remote participants:
> 
> 	Newcomers' Orientation       
> 	Tools for Creating I-Ds and RFCs         
> 	IAOC Overview Session     
> 	Multipath TCP         
> 	Applying IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) to Network
> Measurement and Management
> 
> So...
> 
> (1) The note below strongly implies that none of those sessions
> are being audiocast.    Why not and can that be fixed?

I think that would mean that the crew (partly volunteers) would
need to mobilise 24 hours earlier. Not impossible, I suppose,
but not free of costs either.

> 
> (2) There is no hint on the agenda or tools agenda about
> availability of presentation and related materials (slides,
> etc.) for those sessions.  Do those materials not exist? 

At the moment the various EDU tutorials usually get posted after
the event, and I agree that isn't ideal.

It would be useful for all these ancillary sessions to be included
in the "meeting materials" page and all agenda tools (official and
volunteer). Again, not impossible, in fact very desirable IMHO,
but not free.

    Brian
> I
> know, but a newcomer or remote participant might not, that I can
> find some tutorials by going to the IETF main page and going to
> "Tutorial" under "Resources", but I have no idea which of those
> links actually reflects what will be presented on Sunday.
> Assuming the presentation materials do exist for at least
> several of the sessions, finding them is much like the situation
> with subscribing to the 87all list.  It should no involve a
> treasure hunt at which only very experienced IETF participants
> can be expected to succeed.  
> 
> Specific suggestions:
> 
> (i) Let's get these open Sunday sessions audiocast and/or
> available over Meetecho or WebEx.  If that is impossible for
> IETF 87, it should be a priority for IETF 88 and later.
> 
> (ii) If there are presentation materials available, links from
> the tools agenda and an announcement to IETF-Announce as to
> where to find them would be desirable.
> 
> (iii) If presentation materials are not available, why not?
> And, more important, can this be made a requirement for IETF 88
> and beyond?
> 
> thanks,
>     john
> 
> 
> 
> --On Friday, July 26, 2013 12:00 +0200 Nick Kukich
> <nkukich@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> Greetings,
>>
>> For those interested in monitoring sessions or participating
>> remotely the following information may prove useful.
>> ...
>> All 8 parallel tracks at the IETF 87 meeting will be broadcast
>> starting with the commencement of working group sessions on
>> Monday, July 29, 2013 at 0900 CEST (UTC+2) and continue until
>> the close of sessions on Friday, August 2nd.
>> ...
> 
> 




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