It is one thing to follow this practice of, for lack of a better word,
ignorance, for yourself but to advocate it as a whole for the rest of
the community to follow is probably not the optimal path when addressing
the "diversity" conflicts. Everyone has a motive and interest in what
they do, why they are here, etc. You will never be able to eliminate
this nature element among people, especially among such a diverse group
of disciplines, especially as the growth of electronic diversity
continues. I hate to see "Rough Consensus By Osmosis" being one of the
recommendation outcomes from the Diversity Design Team.
Thank You
Sincerely,
Hector Santos, CTO
Santronics Software, Inc.
On 6/19/2013 11:15 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
On 6/19/2013 8:08 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
On 6/19/13 8:32 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
On 6/19/2013 5:35 AM, Dave Cridland wrote:
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
There is a real problem with accountability and transparency in the
IETF
constitution which was designed by a bunch of old boys to maintain
control in their own hands. Peter is a member of the IETF establishment
so of course he sees no structural problem.
PSA's been an AD, yes, but:
Forgive me, but you just responded to a rather unpleasant ad hominem.
We should not sustain such threads.
...
My apologies for the extremely egregious manner in which I stated the
point. It was not directed personally at Mr. Hallam-Baker, but at all of
us who talk and don't take action -- myself very much included.
oh dear. /my/ apologies for being unclear. I didn't mean that /your/
posting was an ad hominem, but that you were responding to one.
Your own point is fine and constructive. Worthy thought. Worth
pursuing. Offered independently it would have been dandy.
My point is that we need to stop tolerating ad hominem content and that
starts by not responding to it. Posting a reply -- even one that
ignores the offensive content -- constitutes tolerance for the behavior.
The view that we should be resilient against such behavior is long past
its time. We should, instead, demand professional demeanor, and that
means shunning behavior that attacks people and their motives.
d/