On 6/19/13 9:15 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 6/19/2013 8:08 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> On 6/19/13 8:32 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: >>> On 6/19/2013 5:35 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: >>>> Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >>>> There is a real problem with accountability and transparency in the >>>> IETF >>>> constitution which was designed by a bunch of old boys to maintain >>>> control in their own hands. Peter is a member of the IETF establishment >>>> so of course he sees no structural problem. >>>> PSA's been an AD, yes, but: >>> >>> >>> Forgive me, but you just responded to a rather unpleasant ad hominem. >>> >>> We should not sustain such threads. > ... >> My apologies for the extremely egregious manner in which I stated the >> point. It was not directed personally at Mr. Hallam-Baker, but at all of >> us who talk and don't take action -- myself very much included. > > > oh dear. /my/ apologies for being unclear. I didn't mean that /your/ > posting was an ad hominem, but that you were responding to one. > > Your own point is fine and constructive. Worthy thought. Worth > pursuing. Offered independently it would have been dandy. > > My point is that we need to stop tolerating ad hominem content and that > starts by not responding to it. Posting a reply -- even one that > ignores the offensive content -- constitutes tolerance for the behavior. > > The view that we should be resilient against such behavior is long past > its time. We should, instead, demand professional demeanor, and that > means shunning behavior that attacks people and their motives. Dave, you are completely correct and I'm going to make a commitment to personal improvement. :-) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/