Re: IETF Diversity

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On 6/19/13 9:15 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 6/19/2013 8:08 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> On 6/19/13 8:32 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
>>> On 6/19/2013 5:35 AM, Dave Cridland wrote:
>>>> Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
>>>> There is a real problem with accountability and transparency in the
>>>> IETF
>>>> constitution which was designed by a bunch of old boys to maintain
>>>> control in their own hands. Peter is a member of the IETF establishment
>>>> so of course he sees no structural problem.
>>>> PSA's been an AD, yes, but:
>>>
>>>
>>> Forgive me, but you just responded to a rather unpleasant ad hominem.
>>>
>>> We should not sustain such threads.
> ...
>> My apologies for the extremely egregious manner in which I stated the
>> point. It was not directed personally at Mr. Hallam-Baker, but at all of
>> us who talk and don't take action -- myself very much included.
> 
> 
> oh dear.  /my/ apologies for being unclear.  I didn't mean that /your/
> posting was an ad hominem, but that you were responding to one.
> 
> Your own point is fine and constructive.  Worthy thought.  Worth
> pursuing.  Offered independently it would have been dandy.
> 
> My point is that we need to stop tolerating ad hominem content and that
> starts by not responding to it.  Posting a reply -- even one that
> ignores the offensive content -- constitutes tolerance for the behavior.
> 
> The view that we should be resilient against such behavior is long past
> its time.  We should, instead, demand professional demeanor, and that
> means shunning behavior that attacks people and their motives.

Dave, you are completely correct and I'm going to make a commitment to
personal improvement. :-)

Peter

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Peter Saint-Andre
https://stpeter.im/






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