IMO, may be better to add tasks to WG chairs to support the implementations of their WG standards within the community (this helps SMEs/cities to implement or standard). Producing standards is a responsibility and supporting their implementations in the community is another. For example one protocol [1] is an IETF general purpose standard but in some cities [2] they may be implementing it in more specific way. Still one informational I-D [3] is not adopted by the IETF WG, which I think needs to be encouraged (draft expired not renewed). [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-19 [2] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/manet/current/msg13655.html [3] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-funkfeuer-manet-olsrv2-etx-01 So when we make a standard should we document *where* it is more demanded, or do we leave the demand open and let the community find out *where-used* by research, AB On 4/17/13, Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> My own feeling is that if we were to find that the >>> numbers supported the notion that there's bias >>> present in the system we probably couldn't do anything >>> about it without tearing the organization apart, so, >> >> Is there a way to increase #countries #small companies #women etc? Be >> it about the participants or the leadership. Could we set a goal that >> we'll increase some aspect every year, 2014 to be better than 2013? >> > > IMO we can do many thing about it, if we discuss these issues into an I-D. > - There is a way to increase #women when they decide together as a > group what is missing, and what should be done, > - There is a way to increase #small companies when they are > accepted/involved in IETF WGs documents. If individuals are encouraged > then SMEs will be as well, > - There is a way to increase #countries/states when each have their > accepted access to the IETF WG system. > > I may suggest that each WG system to not only have two chairs, but > also 5 administrated participants (for each continent, they may give > chance to SMEs access and new I-Ds) that should look into the > implementation/running-code of the IETF WG standards in real life. > They can look into countries/states challenges/involvement in such > work of the WG, to be documented if available. Countries will only > increase-in/use IETF if their SMEs are using IETF systems. Now it > seems that there are influences/directions from the industry/countries > to IETF WGs' work but not seen/clear to others. > > For women, I think there must be at least 10% of women in the IETF > leadership, as we should not ignore that many research/SMEs in > industry are directed by women. They should publish an I-D related if > they are interested. Is IETF still directed by men or both? > > AB >