A question because my institutional memory does reach as far back: How much was Europe represented over the decades in IETF leadership ? Right now for example IESG seems to have maybe at least 5 europeans (don't really know how to figure out location for all of them, those where just the easy ones for me). But i would expect that this was by far not the case going back in time. Nobody cares about "diversity" for europeans in this round of the discussion, but i wonder if this was equally true in the past. Maybe this evolution would be a good example to folks without that long reaching institutional memory to show how the IETF leadership does pretty well reflect the evolution of the industry. If the industry will become more diverse, IETF will reflect this equally. If on the other hand we try to achieve greater diversity than the industry, then we have a real challenge on our hand. The concentration to fewer and larger companies in todays vs. past leadership was mentioned in before as "bad". I think its exactly for the same reason. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:32:18PM +0000, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Apr 13, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Arturo Servin <arturo.servin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Me too, but when you have a diverse pool of people > > who feel strongly about open standards, rough consensus and running code > > and you choose only one category of the group, then we need to think > > about how we end up in that situation. > > Yes. I'm not arguing that there is not a problem: I'm arguing that if the problem were solved, it would not make me feel less well represented. The point is definitely not to turn that around and suggest to those who currently do not feel well-represented that they should not?the situations aren't analogous. >