On 3/22/13 6:28 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > FWIW, seems to me you're describing one leg of the elephant > each. From my experience I'd say you both actually have an > appreciation of the overall elephant but that's not coming > out in this kind of thread. Well, maybe, but it seems to me that he's lost track of the discussion. My argument is that the IESG has a gatekeeping function in taking on new work, that's based (aside from resourcing) on a set of values, their view of what's needed in the industry, etc. With a uniform IESG membership you're not going to get a rather uniform view of the overall context for IETF work, you'll lose perspective, and consequently there's value to having members who aren't almost all from big manufacturers. I'm not sure what Martin's point is, to be honest. Melinda