On 03/23/2013 02:22 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: > Sorry, Martin, but you're not describing how the IETF actually > works. > FWIW, seems to me you're describing one leg of the elephant each. From my experience I'd say you both actually have an appreciation of the overall elephant but that's not coming out in this kind of thread. S. PS: Martin does write more inflammatory text sometimes, but I think he knows and has previously ack'd that;-)