I don't think anyone is asking for strict compliance to a particular country's laws, although, one could debate that since ISOC is the mother organization for IETF that it might be reasonable to look at the laws in the regions where ISOC is incorporated. My understanding, however, is that since IETF is a non-profit, there is no requirement for them to comply with any of these laws (at least in the US), although one could debate the fact that the US DoD provides funds to ISOC such might be required. Given that folks are still debating whether this years nominees reflected a reasonable diversity (there were 9 women out of 37 nominees), it does seem that finding a description of diversity criteria that is considered by other professional organizations is not a bad idea. However, given the direction of most of these threads, I'm beginning to be of the same mindset as John: https://www.ietf.org/ibin/c5i?mid=6&rid=49&gid=0&k1=933&k2=68058&tid=1363793904 Regards, Mary. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Richard Barnes <rlb@xxxxxx> wrote: > I do not really think the legal angle is helpful in resolving this problem. > (Which country's laws do we need to comply with?) Let's treat these legal > ideas as considerations that we should be thinking about, not something > where we should be striving for strict compliance. > > --Richard > > > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Jorge Contreras <cntreras@xxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Margaret Wasserman <mrw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Stewart, >> >> >> >> On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:04 AM, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > Age >> >> > Disability >> >> > Gender reassignment >> >> > Marriage and civil partnership >> >> > Pregnancy and maternity >> >> > Race >> >> > Religion and belief >> >> > Sex >> >> > Sexual orientation >> >> >> >> The U.S. has a similar (although not identical) list, and it may vary a >> >> bit state-by-state. >> >> > >> >> > If we are going to have an itemized list of diversity >> >> > characteristics, >> >> > we should not pick and choose, we should include the full list. >> > >> > >> > I would strongly recommend that legal counsel be consulted before any >> > such >> > "list" is produced or used by IETF/IESG/Nomcom. (FYI, this is totally >> > outside my own area of legal expertise, so IAOC would need to incur some >> > expense to hire competent counsel in this area) >> [MB] I agree 100%. IETF is not at all qualified to define hiring >> criteria or practices. Unfortunately, they do it all the time. The >> model in place IMHO would not stand up to the scrutiny of any major US >> company's HR dept. And, of course, the HR departments are the ones >> responsible for ensuring the laws in a specific area are met. [/MB] >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> While I certainly wouldn't suggest we start discriminating based on >> >> _any_ >> >> of these factors, it is very difficult to measure our results in some >> >> of >> >> these areas, as we do not collect this information from IETF attendees, >> >> nor >> >> do we publish the age, disability status, gender status, marital >> >> status, >> >> religion or sexual orientation of our I* members. >> > >> > >> > What records *do* exist regarding the identify of IETF leadership? Is >> > there >> > a central repository of at least names/companies of IESG members and/or >> > WG >> > leaders? > >