>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Crocker <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: Dave> I agree it's not hairsplitting and that it is vitally Dave> important. Dave> Unfortunately, Sam, your model is simply wrong. Dave> The IESG defines the job requirements. The Nomcom selects Dave> according to those criteria. Dave> I'm been in a number of Nomcom's that wished for some Dave> flexibility concerning job requirements, but each of these Dave> Nomcoms was very clear that it did not have a mandate to make Dave> changes in job criteria. When you say my model is wrong, I think you're talking about the model in practice. I wrote a note last night explaining why I believe my model is right according to RFC 3777. If you think I got that wrong please ignore the rest of this message and explain what I missed. If you are saying that the nomcom feels pressure to take the desired expertise provided by the IESG and treat it as the required qualification in RFC 3777, then I absolutely agree you're right, and personally I consider that a significant problem. Because I believe that's wrong, I've been working here to try and set the expectation that we should be following the RFC 3777 model. I've also been talking to the nomcom and IESg members about the issue. It's a really serious problem. The nomcom I served on believe the IESg got the desired expertise wrong in a number of ways. We wanted to ask the community about the set of qualifications we planned on using. Our nomcom was strong-willed enough that we were going to use our qualifications if they were supported by community input. However we got pushback from the IESG on circulating our text, so we just went ahead and used a set of qualifications that no one (until the IAB) got to see. Ah joy!