On 2/15/13, Randy Bush <randy@xxxxxxx> wrote: > my take is that we have advanced to that stage of organizational life > where we have newcomers who, when faced with a new culture with subtle > process, are led by personal and/or cultural background to assert that > the process should be changed to a model which they already understand, > and for it to be documented in triplicate. I think nothing needs to change in community culture or world culture because it develops by itself, but in IETF all people face new culture, so all the newcomer-participants, oldcomer, and the subscribed-listeners. The ietf processes may need to change to cope with community needs. > rightly or wrongly, for > historical and left coast cultural reasons, the ietf culture is more to > watch, listen, learn, and *contribute technically*. thanks, melinda, > for having the patience to try and educate. I think IETF culture is more to volunteer, discuss, cooperate, and contribute-technically. AB