On Jan 5, 2013, at 10:03 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: > And, again, that is further complicated by the observation that > IETF Standards are used for procurement and even for litigation > about product quality. We either need to accept that fact and, > where necessary, adjust our specification style to match or we > run the risk of bodies springing up who will profile our > Standards, write procurement-quality conformance statements for > their profiles, and become, de facto, the real standards-setter > for the marketplace (and obviously do so without any element of > IETF consensus). I'm not sure that's not a good thing. Witness for example the work SIP Forum has done with the SIPConnect standards, which have made it MUCH easier to order a box that will work with a SIP Trunking service. -- Dean