Re: Last Call: <draft-kumaki-murai-l3vpn-rsvp-te-06.txt> (Supportfor RSVP-TE in L3VPNs) to Experimental RFC

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Peng,
	Thanks for the quick response!  Please see in line below.

On 10/22/2012 9:39 PM, Peng JIANG wrote:
> Hello Lou,
> 
>>> As to the technical details, the next hop as identified by the Path 
>>> message in the VPN context, will have a route and associated label 
>>> within the VPN context. This VPN label can be added to the Path 
>>> message, just as it would be for any VPN IP packet, and additional 
>>> labels may be added for PE-PE transport. In implementations that 
>>> rewrite the IP header, the IP destination can be set to the next
>>> hop. The remote PE/next hop will receive the Path message with the
>>> VPN label which will identify the VPN context/VRF. This PE will then
>>> need to identify the packet as RSVP using either the router alert
>>> mechanism or based on the IP header destination address. So I see no
>>> reason for the modifications when the VAN-specific MPLS labels are
>>> used.
>>>
>>> Shout if you think I missed something.
> 
> We think you are correct about the Path message.
> But Resv messages are different. The Resv messages are sent hop-
> by-hop. The destination is not the remote PE but the unicast 
> address of a previous RSVP hop when a PE send out a Resv message.
>
>  Therefor, there will be no VPN label and the remote PE will 
> have no method to identify the VPN context/VRF.
>

I'd expect it to be represented in the HOP object.

Lou

> In RFC 2205:
> 3.1.3 Path Messages
> A Path message travels from a sender to receiver(s) along the 
> same path(s) used by the data packets.  The IP source address of
>  a Path message must be an address of the sender it describes, 
> while the destination address must be the DestAddress for the 
> session.
> 3.1.4 Resv Messages
> Resv messages carry reservation requests hop-by-hop from 
> receivers to senders, along the reverse paths of data flows for 
> the session. The IP destination address of a Resv message is the
>  unicast address of a previous-hop node, obtained from the path 
> state. 
> 
>>> My high-order take away is that it seems to me that this draft runs
>>> counter to hierarchy-based solutions that can solve this problem just
>>> fine without any additional RSVP modifications. I therefore think
>>> this draft should be run through a WG that is willing to reconcile
>>> the approaches (and fully document their uses case supported by
>>> hierarchy). Failing that, I think the draft should have an IESG 
>>> applicability note added saying that this is experimental only and
>>> that standard hierarchy should be used to solve the problem in any 
>>> operational implementation/network.
> As I have explained, For Resv messages, hierarchy-based 
> solutions are not able to identify the VPN context/VRF at a 
> remote PE. 
> 
> Hope the above explaination will make sense to you.
> Please let us konw if you have any further comments.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Peng JIANG
> KDDI
> 
> 
>>
>> Hello,
>> 	I made this comment privately during the LC period.  I don't mind
>> sharing it more widely:
>>
>>> My high-order take away is that it seems to me that this draft runs
>>> counter to hierarchy-based solutions that can solve this problem just
>>> fine without any additional RSVP modifications. I therefore think
>>> this draft should be run through a WG that is willing to reconcile
>>> the approaches (and fully document their uses case supported by
>>> hierarchy). Failing that, I think the draft should have an IESG 
>>> applicability note added saying that this is experimental only and
>>> that standard hierarchy should be used to solve the problem in any 
>>> operational implementation/network.
>>>
>>> As to the technical details, the next hop as identified by the Path 
>>> message in the VPN context, will have a route and associated label 
>>> within the VPN context. This VPN label can be added to the Path 
>>> message, just as it would be for any VPN IP packet, and additional 
>>> labels may be added for PE-PE transport. In implementations that 
>>> rewrite the IP header, the IP destination can be set to the next
>>> hop. The remote PE/next hop will receive the Path message with the
>>> VPN label which will identify the VPN context/VRF. This PE will then
>>> need to identify the packet as RSVP using either the router alert
>>> mechanism or based on the IP header destination address. So I see no
>>> reason for the modifications when the VAN-specific MPLS labels are
>>> used.
>>>
>>> Shout if you think I missed something.
>>
>> Lou
>> On 9/5/2012 6:43 PM, The IESG wrote:
>>>
>>> The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider
>>> the following document:
>>> - 'Support for RSVP-TE in L3VPNs'
>>>   <draft-kumaki-murai-l3vpn-rsvp-te-06.txt> as Experimental RFC
>>>
>>> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
>>> final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
>>> ietf@xxxxxxxx mailing lists by 2012-10-03. Exceptionally, comments may be
>>> sent to iesg@xxxxxxxx instead. In either case, please retain the
>>> beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
>>>
>>> Abstract
>>>
>>>
>>>    IP Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) provide connectivity between sites
>>>    across an IP/MPLS backbone. These VPNs can be operated using BGP/MPLS
>>>    and a single provider edge (PE) node may provide access to multiple
>>>    customer sites belonging to different VPNs.
>>>
>>>    The VPNs may support a number of customer services including RSVP and
>>>    RSVP-TE traffic. This document describes how to support RSVP-TE
>>>    between customer sites when a single PE supports multiple VPNs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The file can be obtained via
>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumaki-murai-l3vpn-rsvp-te/
>>>
>>> IESG discussion can be tracked via
>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumaki-murai-l3vpn-rsvp-te/ballot/
>>>
>>>
>>> No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.
>>>
>>> Due to an error by the sponsoring Area Director, the Last Call on 
>>> this document (which completed on 3rd September) incorrectly 
>>> stated that this draft was intended that it be published as Informational.
>>> The correct intention (as stated in the draft itself) is that it  be 
>>> published as Experimental. 
>>>
>>> This Last Call is to verify community consensus for publication of
>>> this draft as Experimental. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
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