While I applaud the idea, I have to agree with Benson here. --dmm On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Benson Schliesser <bensons@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I feel a little bad saying this, because these individuals deserve > recognition. But I rather think this memorial page is not a good idea. > > If the IETF is around long enough, eventually all members of the community > will die. (Unless medical science makes some amazing achievements, I > suppose...) It's easy today to recognize a few people that made large > contributions earlier in the IETF's history. But at some point the list will > grow large, until it has lost its significance. And yet, at that point, it > may be unseemly to stop the tradition, and even more unseemly to delete the > existing memorial. > > I don't want to be insensitive, and I'm sorry to point this out. But I think > we're better off with heart-felt, personal memorials from living people that > remember and care about the departed. > > -Benson > > > > On 10/21/12 11:43 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: >> >> Good idea, but suggest to go wider than your a-d and stick to: >>> >>> anyone who was "part >>> of the IETF community". >> >> In practice, that will mean, anyone who someone else thinks was a part of >> the >> community. >> >> It would not be seemly to squabble about whether someone had really played >> a >> significant part in the IETF, and would be better to include anyone on >> request. >> I think the reality is that no=one would make the request unless they felt >> that >> the IETF had been a significant part of the deceased's life. >> >> Cheers, >> Adrian >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>> Dave >>> Crocker >>> Sent: 21 October 2012 17:32 >>> To: IETF Discussion >>> Subject: In Memoriam IETF web page >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> A thread on the nanog list, about abha ahuja, reminds me of a suggestion >>> I made casually to a few folk after the last IETF meeting: >>> >>> We should consider having a persistent IETF page in memory of >>> people who were part of our community. >>> >>> While the idea is simple, the comments I got back make clear that it >>> needs to be pursued carefully. That requires some formality. >>> >>> There are two different lines of consideration. These are offered as a >>> starting point for discussion: >>> >>> >>> 1. Who should be listed? >>> >>> A number of different models make sense, but the challenge is >>> something that is workable. For example, it does not seem like the sort >>> of thing that would be appropriate for a consensus call to the >>> community, for each entry. I think that means the rules should be >>> entirely mechanical. >>> >>> Conceptually, the goal should be to include anyone who was "part >>> of the IETF community". I'll suggest that any of these would qualify: >>> >>> a. Held a formal position in the IETF (AD, WG Chair, IAOC/Trust, >>> IAB, IRTF, Nomcom, ...are there others?) >>> >>> b. Held a position on an IETF committee (directorate, >>> advisory, ...) >>> >>> c. Held a position on IETF staff (IAD, RFC Editor and, I think, >>> this should include on-going contractors, including AMS and RFC >>> document editors. >>> >>> d. RFC author >>> >>> >>> 2. What should be the form of the page? >>> >>> I suggest we keep it extremely simple: an alphabetic listing by >>> name, with a photo, if available, and a pointer to a page if they have >>> one. In some cases, the IETF might formulate its own page for a person, >>> but that's distinct from this basic listing. >>> >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> d/ >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Crocker >>> Brandenburg InternetWorking >>> bbiw.net > >