Re: In Memoriam IETF web page

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While I applaud the idea, I have to agree with Benson here. --dmm

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Benson Schliesser
<bensons@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I feel a little bad saying this, because these individuals deserve
> recognition. But I rather think this memorial page is not a good idea.
>
> If the IETF is around long enough, eventually all members of the community
> will die. (Unless medical science makes some amazing achievements, I
> suppose...) It's easy today to recognize a few people that made large
> contributions earlier in the IETF's history. But at some point the list will
> grow large, until it has lost its significance. And yet, at that point, it
> may be unseemly to stop the tradition, and even more unseemly to delete the
> existing memorial.
>
> I don't want to be insensitive, and I'm sorry to point this out. But I think
> we're better off with heart-felt, personal memorials from living people that
> remember and care about the departed.
>
> -Benson
>
>
>
> On 10/21/12 11:43 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
>>
>> Good idea, but suggest to go wider than your a-d and stick to:
>>>
>>> anyone who was "part
>>> of the IETF community".
>>
>> In practice, that will mean, anyone who someone else thinks was a part of
>> the
>> community.
>>
>> It would not be seemly to squabble about whether someone had really played
>> a
>> significant part in the IETF, and would be better to include anyone on
>> request.
>> I think the reality is that no=one would make the request unless they felt
>> that
>> the IETF had been a significant part of the deceased's life.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adrian
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>> Dave
>>> Crocker
>>> Sent: 21 October 2012 17:32
>>> To: IETF Discussion
>>> Subject: In Memoriam IETF web page
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> A thread on the nanog list, about abha ahuja, reminds me of a suggestion
>>> I made casually to a few folk after the last IETF meeting:
>>>
>>>        We should consider having a persistent IETF page in memory of
>>> people who were part of our community.
>>>
>>> While the idea is simple, the comments I got back make clear that it
>>> needs to be pursued carefully.  That requires some formality.
>>>
>>> There are two different lines of consideration. These are offered as a
>>> starting point for discussion:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.   Who should be listed?
>>>
>>>        A number of different models make sense, but the challenge is
>>> something that is workable. For example, it does not seem like the sort
>>> of thing that would be appropriate for a consensus call to the
>>> community, for each entry.  I think that means the rules should be
>>> entirely mechanical.
>>>
>>>        Conceptually, the goal should be to include anyone who was "part
>>> of the IETF community".  I'll suggest that any of these would qualify:
>>>
>>>        a. Held a formal position in the IETF (AD, WG Chair, IAOC/Trust,
>>>           IAB, IRTF, Nomcom, ...are there others?)
>>>
>>>        b. Held a position on an IETF committee (directorate,
>>>           advisory, ...)
>>>
>>>        c. Held a position on IETF staff (IAD, RFC Editor and, I think,
>>>           this should include on-going contractors, including AMS and RFC
>>>           document editors.
>>>
>>>        d. RFC author
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.   What should be the form of the page?
>>>
>>>        I suggest we keep it extremely simple:  an alphabetic listing by
>>> name, with a photo, if available, and a pointer to a page if they have
>>> one.  In some cases, the IETF might formulate its own page for a person,
>>> but that's distinct from this basic listing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> d/
>>>
>>> --
>>>    Dave Crocker
>>>    Brandenburg InternetWorking
>>>    bbiw.net
>
>


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