RE: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site

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Hi Ted,

I think an I-D can be removed from the I-D directory by replacing it with
another I-D (possibly with null content, or possibly with tombstone text) using
existing process.

Cheers,
Adrian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ted
> Hardie
> Sent: 05 September 2012 16:05
> To: IETF Chair
> Cc: IETF
> Subject: Re: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the
IETF
> Web Site
> 
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:00 PM, IETF Chair <chair@xxxxxxxx> wrote
> > The IESG is considering this IESG Statement.  Comments from the community
> are solicited.
> >
> > On behalf of the IESG,
> > Russ
> >
> > --- DRAFT IESG STATEMENT ---
> >
> > SUBJECT: Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site
> >
> > Internet-Drafts (I-Ds) are working documents of the IETF, its Areas,
> > and its Working Groups.  In addition, other groups, including the IAB
> > and the IRTF Research Groups, distribute working documents as I-Ds.
> > I-Ds are stored in two places on the IETF web site.  First, current
> > ones are stored in the I-D directory.  Second, current and past ones
> > are stored in a public I-D archive.
> >
> > I-Ds are readily available to a wide audience from the IETF I-D
> > directory.  This availability facilitates informal review, comment,
> > and revision.
> >
> > While entries in the I-D directory are subject to change or removal
> > at any time, I-Ds generally remain publicly archived to support easy
> > comparison with previous versions.
> >
> > Entries in the I-D directory are removed as part of normal process
> > when it expires after six months, when it is replaced by a subsequent
> > I-D, or when it is replaced by the publication of an RFC.  In all
> > of these situations, the I-D remains in the public I-D archive.
> >
> > An I-D will only be removed from the public I-D archive in compliance
> > with a duly authorized court order.  If possible, a removed I-D will be
> > replaced with a tombstone file that describes the reason that the I-D
> > was removed from the public I-D archive.
> >
> 
> This statement doesn't actually seem to cover the case for removal
> from the I-D directory, only the public archive. If you would like it
> to cover the case where a court order or other action causes a
> document to be removed from the public I-D directory, it probably
> needs an update.  If that's covered in another document, pulling them
> into a single document makes sense to me.
> 
> I support the idea that there be mechanisms for removal of IDs from
> both that don't require a court order, but I don't think it should be
> too simple.  I'd suggest:
> 
> a) Stream owner approval for streams outside the IETF stream
> (documents identified as irtf or IAB).
> b) Relevant AD for WG documents
> c) IESG for individual submissions, with any AD able to put the matter
> to the IESG.
> 
> There is an existing method for b as it relates to the current
> directory--a working group chair replacing an editor and then having
> the new editor issue a new draft. The AD should be consulted and
> approve, though, if it either needs to be done more quickly than that
> or it needs to relate to the archive.
> 
> c) is the most onerous because of the risk that simpler mechanisms
> might be used to shut out ideas.  It might also be useful to clarify
> that the appeal chain for this action follows the usual process.
> 
> Just my two cents,
> 
> Ted



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