Re: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site

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On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Ted,
>
> I think an I-D can be removed from the I-D directory by replacing it with
> another I-D (possibly with null content, or possibly with tombstone text) using
> existing process.
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian

Hi Adrian,

That's true, and if the existing author wants to do that, this policy
is not needed at all.  The question is who needs to approve a request
to remove it if it does not come from the author.  Sorry that this was
not clear.

regards,

Ted Hardie

>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ted
>> Hardie
>> Sent: 05 September 2012 16:05
>> To: IETF Chair
>> Cc: IETF
>> Subject: Re: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the
> IETF
>> Web Site
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:00 PM, IETF Chair <chair@xxxxxxxx> wrote
>> > The IESG is considering this IESG Statement.  Comments from the community
>> are solicited.
>> >
>> > On behalf of the IESG,
>> > Russ
>> >
>> > --- DRAFT IESG STATEMENT ---
>> >
>> > SUBJECT: Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site
>> >
>> > Internet-Drafts (I-Ds) are working documents of the IETF, its Areas,
>> > and its Working Groups.  In addition, other groups, including the IAB
>> > and the IRTF Research Groups, distribute working documents as I-Ds.
>> > I-Ds are stored in two places on the IETF web site.  First, current
>> > ones are stored in the I-D directory.  Second, current and past ones
>> > are stored in a public I-D archive.
>> >
>> > I-Ds are readily available to a wide audience from the IETF I-D
>> > directory.  This availability facilitates informal review, comment,
>> > and revision.
>> >
>> > While entries in the I-D directory are subject to change or removal
>> > at any time, I-Ds generally remain publicly archived to support easy
>> > comparison with previous versions.
>> >
>> > Entries in the I-D directory are removed as part of normal process
>> > when it expires after six months, when it is replaced by a subsequent
>> > I-D, or when it is replaced by the publication of an RFC.  In all
>> > of these situations, the I-D remains in the public I-D archive.
>> >
>> > An I-D will only be removed from the public I-D archive in compliance
>> > with a duly authorized court order.  If possible, a removed I-D will be
>> > replaced with a tombstone file that describes the reason that the I-D
>> > was removed from the public I-D archive.
>> >
>>
>> This statement doesn't actually seem to cover the case for removal
>> from the I-D directory, only the public archive. If you would like it
>> to cover the case where a court order or other action causes a
>> document to be removed from the public I-D directory, it probably
>> needs an update.  If that's covered in another document, pulling them
>> into a single document makes sense to me.
>>
>> I support the idea that there be mechanisms for removal of IDs from
>> both that don't require a court order, but I don't think it should be
>> too simple.  I'd suggest:
>>
>> a) Stream owner approval for streams outside the IETF stream
>> (documents identified as irtf or IAB).
>> b) Relevant AD for WG documents
>> c) IESG for individual submissions, with any AD able to put the matter
>> to the IESG.
>>
>> There is an existing method for b as it relates to the current
>> directory--a working group chair replacing an editor and then having
>> the new editor issue a new draft. The AD should be consulted and
>> approve, though, if it either needs to be done more quickly than that
>> or it needs to relate to the archive.
>>
>> c) is the most onerous because of the risk that simpler mechanisms
>> might be used to shut out ideas.  It might also be useful to clarify
>> that the appeal chain for this action follows the usual process.
>>
>> Just my two cents,
>>
>> Ted
>


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