On 5 Sep 2012, at 06:20, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:50 PM, SM <sm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> An I-D will only be removed from the public I-D archive in compliance >>> with a duly authorized court order. If possible, a removed I-D will be >>> replaced with a tombstone file that describes the reason that the I-D >>> was removed from the public I-D archive. >> >> >> I'll +1 the change (only for the IETF Stream) suggested by Alessandro >> Vesely. >> >> Suggested text: >> >> An expired I-D will be removed from the public I-D archive when necessary. >> Such action will be taken by request of an IESG member, a chair of the >> working group associated with the I-D, or one of the document authors. >> >> If possible, a removed I-D will be replaced with a tombstone file that >> describes the reason that the I-D was removed from the public I-D archive. > > +1 > It might be prudent to add other details of the DMCA order as well. I > have seen that other websites do that. > > This is a good FAQ on DMCA removal > http://www.chillingeffects.org/copyright/notice.cgi?NoticeID=627#QID130 > > -- Vinayak (IANAL) IANAL either, but I can imagine valid non-DMCA reasons for the IESG wanting to remove an expired I-D, or add a tombstone file / note in its place. For example, I have seen examples where an IETFer (who'd been around the block a few times, and so did know better) repeatedly has held up and cited a long expired I-D claiming "Findings of the IETF show that ....", as part of his/her argument in various contexts outside of the IETF. Empowering the IESG to be able to act, in various such situations, and not just in response to court orders or DCMA requests, is IMO a good thing. I like Alessandro's suggestion that "An expired I-D will be removed from the public I-D archive when necessary". I am on the fence if some sort of "consensus for removal" among the ADs should be expected or not, though - as Alessandro's text concerns *expired* I-Ds. (It's trivial to render an *active* I-D *expired* by way of submitting a new version...) Thomas