> The question of where the servers would be located, locally or somewhere out on > the Internet, was raised during the development of this document and the answer > was, we do not know; so I think that if you only regard it as secure when only > an internal network is involved, then that needs calling out in the Security > Considerations. what the document actually says Transport Security: The RPKI relies on object, not server or transport, trust. I.e. the IANA root trust anchor is distributed to all caches through some out of band means, and can then be used by each cache to validate certificates and ROAs all the way down the tree. The inter-cache relationships are based on this object security model, hence the inter-cache transport can be lightly protected. But this protocol document assumes that the routers can not do the validation cryptography. Hence the last link, from cache to router, is secured by server authentication and transport level security. This is dangerous, as server authentication and transport have very different threat models than object security. So the strength of the trust relationship and the transport between the router(s) and the cache(s) are critical. You're betting your routing on this. While we can not say the cache must be on the same LAN, if only due to the issue of an enterprise wanting to off-load the cache task to their upstream ISP(s), locality, trust, and control are very critical issues here. The cache(s) really SHOULD be as close, in the sense of controlled and protected (against DDoS, MITM) transport, to the router(s) as possible. It also SHOULD be topologically close so that a minimum of validated routing data are needed to bootstrap a router's access to a cache. The identity of the cache server SHOULD be verified and authenticated by the router client, and vice versa, before any data are exchanged. Transports which can not provide the necessary authentication and integrity (see Section 7) must rely on network design and operational controls to provide protection against spoofing/ corruption attacks. send text for what you think should be added. randy _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf