>>>>> "Pete" == Pete Resnick <presnick@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: >> For RFC 1918 space, the problem with picking it isn't so much >> that the ISP can't pick one that consumer NATs don't use - it's >> that they can't pick one that no Enterprise on a*different* ISP >> uses. For example, assume my employer used 10.64.0.0/10 (they >> probably do somewhere), and connected to ISP-A. I connect to >> ISP-B using a 3GPP laptop-card, and get the same 10.64.0.0/10 >> address space. I now cannot use a VPN to my employer, because of >> the resulting conflict in the routing table in my laptop. But >> there's nothing I nor my*ISP-B* can do about this, because my >> employer has been using that address for a long time >> (legitimately) and is connected to*ISP-A*. Pete> Doesn't this same problem exist if I'm currently attached to a Pete> CPE NAT that provides me with a 10.64.0.0/10 address and my Pete> VPN uses the same space? Are you saying that VPN software does Pete> not already deal with this? It's not an easily solved problem, particularly if the VPN software is not provided by the creator of the TCP/IP stack. Even when it is solved, it's still a horrible hack. Most NAT boxes are routers that twiddle addresses. They are not double stack application gateways. -- ] He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life! | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[ Kyoto Plus: watch the video <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzx1ycLXQSE> then sign the petition. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf