On 11/1/11 12:07 , Melinda Shore wrote: > On 11/01/2011 10:59 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote: >> webex and the meetecho experiment (I realize that's being recursive) and >> if you're being pedantic the http audio stream. > > I don't think that the http audio stream qualifies, since we're > able to use the audio client of our own choosing. I haven't used > either webex or meetecho because webex turns on your video camera > and doesn't have an option to turn it off (I understand that this > is fixed in the most recent release) and meetecho because I don't > know who those guys are and I'm not really interested in downloading > and running software from an unknown source, particularly when > there are more open options available. You'll note that we don't > require people to use a particular client to use the Jabber rooms, > either. While meetecho may or may not be using standard protocols > (they say they are), they require their own client. That's kind > of weird for a body whose reason for existing revolves largely > around interoperability. I've probably been involved in or responsible for more dumb remote participation experiments at the ietf than anyone else still regularly attending. I'm willing to grant for the sake of experimentation a fair amount of forbearance for things I don't like and or would never use myself. I haven't come to any such conclusion regarding meetecho. I think there's room under to tent to provide a more comprehensive tool than the very basic one I concluded a couple years ago had the widest availability, and the least production overhead. > Melinda > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf