I'm not sure I'd blame chairs so much, but anyway... Here's a suggestion - create a list for people who are active IETF participants but who miss a lot of meetings. (And ask people who don't match that profile, like me, to stay out of the discussion - we can read the archive if we're curious.) Let folks on that list see if they can figure out things to do that they think would make things better then bring that back here. I'm not claiming this'd "fix" the problem, but I'd be interested in the output and it'd avoid most of the discussion about remote attendee things being discussed by the usual suspects who do in fact go to most meetings afaics. S. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf