George I think its fine to sell them on the advantages of transitioning but some others were advocating to have it in the contract. Any additional costs you place on the hotel will inevitably be reclaimed (with interest) in the room charges, cost of breaks, etc - there is no such thing as a free lunch! ----- Original Message ----- From: George, Wes [mailto:wesley.george@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 08:06 AM To: Andrew Allen; fluffy@xxxxxxxxx <fluffy@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: iaoc@xxxxxxxx <iaoc@xxxxxxxx>; ietf@xxxxxxxx <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: IPv6 support in hotel contract? > From: Andrew Allen [mailto:aallen@xxxxxxx] > We can put all kinds of wonderful constraints on hotels if we want to - > [snip] - then we will likely never be able to meet anywhere. > [WEG] I am not suggesting that this be a deal-breaker constraint. We have quite a number of "nice to have" items that we will ask for, but not necessarily take our business elsewhere if we do not get. The sense I get from IAOC is that dates, capacity, and cost are the constraints. IPv6 support is window dressing (or deck chairs, depending on your perspective). > IF IPv6 really requires IETF to use its business to influence hotels to > adopt it then its a technolgy that deserves to go the way of the DoDo. > IPv6 will be adopted because it is needed and brings commerical > benefits to those that deploy it. [WEG] This is not an attempt to force *whether* IPv6 will be deployed, but when. Hotels are sort of an extension of the consumer space - right now, they don't know/care what IPv6 is, nor see a reason why it's necessary. It is quite unlikely that your average person will walk to the counter and say, "your internet service is partially broken because it doesn't support IPv6." It is even less likely that this will happen enough times that they say, "gosh, perhaps we need to look into this eye pee vee six thing..." IETF has some leverage, and by definition should be on the early adopter curve, so I'm simply suggesting that they use it to accelerate the timeline a bit. > From: Cullen Jennings [mailto:fluffy@xxxxxxxxx] > I love the taste of dog food, but v6 in the hotel is not something that I find critical to accomplish the > task I come to IETF to get done. [WEG] We're working contracts for hotel venues 3+ years out at this point. How long are you willing to assume that IPv6 will not be critical to tasks that you need to do at IETF and that the IPv4 service in the hotel will be an acceptable alternative? Wes George This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf