On 2011-09-19 20:05, Olaf Kolkman wrote: <snip> >> Also, the new section 2.3, which is incorrectly titled but presumably >> is intended to be "IETF Trust membership" seems to me to be inconsistent >> with the Trust Agreement. The Trust Agreement states that the Eligible Persons >> (to become Trustees) are each "a then-current member of the IAOC, duly appointed >> and in good standing in accordance with the procedures of the IAOC established >> pursuant to IETF document BCP 101 [as amended]". That doesn't exclude the >> non-voting members of the IAOC, which is why the IAD is already a Trustee. >> To change this, the Trust would have to change the Trust Agreement. To be clear, >> I'm not saying this can't be done, but it can't be ignored either. > > > > Yes, it is incorrectly titled. > > As far as I understand the trust agreement the voting members and the IAD are members of the trust. If the 'chairs' are non-voting members of the IAOC then the idea is that they would not be trustees and a modification of the trust agreement is not needed. That can be clarified. > > If the chairs should be trustees (are you arguing that?) then I agree, a trust agreement modification is needed. The Trust Agreement and *only* the Trust Agreement defines who is a Trustee. At the moment it says that members of the IAOC under BCP 101 are Trustees, without any qualification such as "voting". So if we make the I* Chairs non-voting members of the IAOC by formally updating BCP 101, the I* Chairs would remain as Trustees. Since that is (in my experience) a large part of an IAOC member's time commitment, the problem you're trying to solve would not be solved, IMHO, unless the Trust amended the Trust Agreement too. That's all I wanted to point out. Brian _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf