Brian, So far you are the only person that has responded with substance. Other feedback was promised but never arrived. I hope to rev this document shortly so that we can finalize it before the Taiwan meeting. I wrote: >> Based on the discussion I've updated the draft: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kolkman-iasa-ex-officio-membership >> >> Essentially I incorporated Dave Crocker's proposal to >> 1) replace the 'chairs' by voting members appointed by the respective bodies. >> 2) allow the chairs to participate in all meetings and provide (unsolicited) advice. >> >> I believe that allows chairs to exercise their responsibilities of keeping a coherent perspective of the organization an allow them to steer outcomes if needed, but doesn't require the day-to-day involvement that is required from a diligent voting member. > You responded: > And it therefore removes the two Chairs' shared responsibility for decisions of > the IAOC and the IETF Trust. I am still far from convinced that this is a good > thing. > That is correct, under this proposal the chairs don't have voting responsibilities in the IAOC. And while I argue that the chairs can 'steer' as ex-officio I understand that is something you are either convinced off or not. > Also, the new section 2.3, which is incorrectly titled but presumably > is intended to be "IETF Trust membership" seems to me to be inconsistent > with the Trust Agreement. The Trust Agreement states that the Eligible Persons > (to become Trustees) are each "a then-current member of the IAOC, duly appointed > and in good standing in accordance with the procedures of the IAOC established > pursuant to IETF document BCP 101 [as amended]". That doesn't exclude the > non-voting members of the IAOC, which is why the IAD is already a Trustee. > To change this, the Trust would have to change the Trust Agreement. To be clear, > I'm not saying this can't be done, but it can't be ignored either. Yes, it is incorrectly titled. As far as I understand the trust agreement the voting members and the IAD are members of the trust. If the 'chairs' are non-voting members of the IAOC then the idea is that they would not be trustees and a modification of the trust agreement is not needed. That can be clarified. If the chairs should be trustees (are you arguing that?) then I agree, a trust agreement modification is needed. --Olaf ________________________________________________________ Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/
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