Re: Last Call: <draft-kompella-l2vpn-l2vpn-07.txt> (Layer 2 Virtual Private Networks Using BGP for Auto-discovery and Signaling) to Informational RFC

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On 09/13/11 10:03, Alexander Vainshtein wrote:
> Luca, and all,
>
> I concur with Andy's opinion that the reference to RFC 4447 must become Normative (this will not delay the publication is  too often the case:-).
>
> As for Informational vs. Historical, I think that Informational is more appropriate because, AFAIK, the technique defined in draft-kompella is not just a documenting an existing solution - it describes is THE ONLY deployed solution for the problem. (If this statement happens to be factually incorrect, I would be happy to learn about the deployed alternatives.)
no, there are several ( I think 3 ) implementations of the
l2vpn-singalling standards track document also known as rfc6074.
There are several deployments of rfc6074.

As 10 years ago we had several deployments of "draft-martini" which over
time are being updated to rfc4447 , there are some deployments of the
solution described in the draft-kompella-l2vpn-l2vpn-07.txt. I still
think that an historical RFC would fit this solution , unless we plan on
expanding it , and pursuing new enhancements to it.

Luca


> Regards,
>      Sasha
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: l2vpn-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:l2vpn-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Luca
>> Martini
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:24 PM
>> To: Andrew G. Malis
>> Cc: l2vpn@xxxxxxxx; pwe3; IETF Discussion
>> Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-kompella-l2vpn-l2vpn-07.txt> (Layer 2 Virtual
>> Private Networks Using BGP for Auto-discovery and Signaling) to Informational
>> RFC
>>
>> I concurr with Andy.
>> Given that the  WG has made a decision on which control plane technology
>> is the standard track technology we should have a statement in this
>> document pointing to the standard track rfc4447 so it is clear to anyone
>> reading the document.
>> In the same way we published the draft-martini documents as historical
>> ee should publish this document as historical rfc, to document existing
>> implementations.
>>
>> Luca
>>
>> On 09/01/11 05:42, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
>>> Speaking as an individual, the solution in this draft has been has
>>> been operationally deployed in a number of service provider networks,
>>> and it should be documented in an informational RFC.
>>>
>>> Speaking as PWE3 co-chair, I would be happier if this draft required
>>> that routers that implement this solution also implement RFC 4447,
>>> that RFC 4447 be configured as the default mechanism for pseudowire
>>> signaling, and that RFC 4447 was moved from an informational to a
>>> normative reference. In practice, I know that routers that implement
>>> this also do implement RFC 4447, but I would like to see it in the RFC
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>     Subject: 	Last Call: (Layer 2 Virtual Private Networks Using BGP
>>>     for Auto-discovery and Signaling) to Informational RFC
>>>     Date: 	Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:50:05 -0700
>>>     From: 	The IESG <iesg-secretary@xxxxxxxx>
>>>     <mailto:iesg-secretary@xxxxxxxx>
>>>     Reply-To: 	ietf@xxxxxxxx <mailto:ietf@xxxxxxxx>
>>>     To: 	IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@xxxxxxxx>
>>>     <mailto:ietf-announce@xxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider
>>>     the following document:
>>>     - 'Layer 2 Virtual Private Networks Using BGP for Auto-discovery and
>>>        Signaling'
>>>       <draft-kompella-l2vpn-l2vpn-07.txt> as an Informational RFC
>>>
>>>     The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
>>>     final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
>>>     ietf@xxxxxxxx <mailto:ietf@xxxxxxxx> mailing lists by 2011-09-27.
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>>>     Abstract
>>>
>>>
>>>        Layer 2 Virtual Private Networks (L2VPNs) based on Frame Relay or ATM
>>>        circuits have been around a long time; more recently, Ethernet VPNs,
>>>        including Virtual Private LAN Service, have become popular.
>>>        Traditional L2VPNs often required a separate Service Provider
>>>        infrastructure for each type, and yet another for the Internet and IP
>>>        VPNs.  In addition, L2VPN provisioning was cumbersome.  This document
>>>        presents a new approach to the problem of offering L2VPN services
>>>        where the L2VPN customer's experience is virtually identical to that
>>>        offered by traditional Layer 2 VPNs, but such that a Service Provider
>>>        can maintain a single network for L2VPNs, IP VPNs and the Internet,
>>>        as well as a common provisioning methodology for all services.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     The file can be obtained via
>>>     http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kompella-l2vpn-l2vpn/
>>>
>>>     IESG discussion can be tracked via
>>>     http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kompella-l2vpn-l2vpn/
>>>
>>>
>>>     The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:
>>>
>>>        http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1149/
>>>
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