Dean, I think you would be an ideal person to be on IAOC. Would you be willing to stand for that? Cullen On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Dean Willis wrote: > On 8/23/11 9:24 AM, John C Klensin wrote: >> >> So I'm opposed to a USD 200 (or any other number) firm limit on >> hotel rates. At the same time, I continue to wish that the IAOC >> would be more open with the community about how these decisions >> are made and, in particular, how the tradeoffs between >> sponsorship (and hence lower costs to the IETF for meeting >> infrastructure and arrangements) and meetings costs to attendees >> are made... open enough that the community could give >> substantive guidance on the subject, guidance that I assume the >> IAOC would follow if it were coherent and plausible. >> > > Quite right. There's more than just the hotel rates. > > My budget is about $2500 US per IETF meeting. That has to cover airfare, the IETF meeting fee, the hotel, meals, service charges, ground transport, mobile phone roaming, incidentals, etc. > > $300 a night counting taxes and surcharge is just ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THE FREAKING QUESTION. Having the "backup" hotel a 10 minute taxi ride away is out of the question -- I can't afford taxis. If I can't walk, I can't go. > > So guess what? I told the wife last night that I wasn't planning to go to the Taiwan meeting. I wanted to go, but I just don't see how it can happen. Maybe I'll win the lottery between now and then... > > I'm disappointed. I'm hurt. I'm angry. And the trend has just been getting worse and worse with every venue. I want the IAOC's heads on a platter (preferably an inexpensive, disposable platter, like maybe the lid off an old pizza box) for signing us up to this venue. And I want a travel budget no larger than mine for the people we send to future meetings. > > If we can't find a reasonably inexpensive place to have a meeting, DON'T HAVE THE MEETING! > > > -- > Dean Willis > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf