Hi, Also note that, according to Google maps, it is possible to take a bus from the overflow hotel to the meeting. It requires a 400 meters walk from the hotel to the bus stop, but that should be managble even for an IETF attendee... The total travel (walking+bus) is 13 minutes. Regards, Christer > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Ole Jacobsen > Sent: 31. elokuuta 2011 0:31 > To: Dean Willis > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy? > > > Dean, > > Before you give up completely I would check out: > > http://wikitravel.org/en/Taipei > > Taxis are not expensive, the Metro even less so, and there > are at least some budget hotels nearby. I expect the local > hosts to provide more information soon -- they already have > some info on the website. > > I agree about the Hyatt hotel price. > > Ole > > > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > Skype: organdemo > > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2011, Dean Willis wrote: > > > On 8/23/11 9:24 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > > > > > > So I'm opposed to a USD 200 (or any other number) firm limit on > > > hotel rates. At the same time, I continue to wish that the IAOC > > > would be more open with the community about how these > decisions are > > > made and, in particular, how the tradeoffs between > sponsorship (and > > > hence lower costs to the IETF for meeting infrastructure and > > > arrangements) and meetings costs to attendees are made... open > > > enough that the community could give substantive guidance on the > > > subject, guidance that I assume the IAOC would follow if it were > > > coherent and plausible. > > > > > > > Quite right. There's more than just the hotel rates. > > > > My budget is about $2500 US per IETF meeting. That has to cover > > airfare, the IETF meeting fee, the hotel, meals, service charges, > > ground transport, mobile phone roaming, incidentals, etc. > > > > $300 a night counting taxes and surcharge is just ABSOLUTELY OUT OF > > THE FREAKING QUESTION. Having the "backup" hotel a 10 > minute taxi ride > > away is out of the question -- I can't afford taxis. If I > can't walk, I can't go. > > > > So guess what? I told the wife last night that I wasn't > planning to go > > to the Taiwan meeting. I wanted to go, but I just don't see > how it can > > happen. Maybe I'll win the lottery between now and then... > > > > I'm disappointed. I'm hurt. I'm angry. And the trend has just been > > getting worse and worse with every venue. I want the IAOC's > heads on a > > platter (preferably an inexpensive, disposable platter, > like maybe the > > lid off an old pizza box) for signing us up to this venue. > And I want > > a travel budget no larger than mine for the people we send > to future meetings. > > > > If we can't find a reasonably inexpensive place to have a meeting, > > DON'T HAVE THE MEETING! > > > > > > -- > > Dean Willis > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf mailing list > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf