Dean, Before you give up completely I would check out: http://wikitravel.org/en/Taipei Taxis are not expensive, the Metro even less so, and there are at least some budget hotels nearby. I expect the local hosts to provide more information soon -- they already have some info on the website. I agree about the Hyatt hotel price. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Tue, 30 Aug 2011, Dean Willis wrote: > On 8/23/11 9:24 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > > > > So I'm opposed to a USD 200 (or any other number) firm limit on > > hotel rates. At the same time, I continue to wish that the IAOC > > would be more open with the community about how these decisions > > are made and, in particular, how the tradeoffs between > > sponsorship (and hence lower costs to the IETF for meeting > > infrastructure and arrangements) and meetings costs to attendees > > are made... open enough that the community could give > > substantive guidance on the subject, guidance that I assume the > > IAOC would follow if it were coherent and plausible. > > > > Quite right. There's more than just the hotel rates. > > My budget is about $2500 US per IETF meeting. That has to cover airfare, the > IETF meeting fee, the hotel, meals, service charges, ground transport, mobile > phone roaming, incidentals, etc. > > $300 a night counting taxes and surcharge is just ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THE > FREAKING QUESTION. Having the "backup" hotel a 10 minute taxi ride away is out > of the question -- I can't afford taxis. If I can't walk, I can't go. > > So guess what? I told the wife last night that I wasn't planning to go to the > Taiwan meeting. I wanted to go, but I just don't see how it can happen. Maybe > I'll win the lottery between now and then... > > I'm disappointed. I'm hurt. I'm angry. And the trend has just been getting > worse and worse with every venue. I want the IAOC's heads on a platter > (preferably an inexpensive, disposable platter, like maybe the lid off an old > pizza box) for signing us up to this venue. And I want a travel budget no > larger than mine for the people we send to future meetings. > > If we can't find a reasonably inexpensive place to have a meeting, DON'T HAVE > THE MEETING! > > > -- > Dean Willis > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf