On Aug 23, 2011, at 6:48 AM, IETF Chair wrote: > The important dates page for the meeting <http://www.ietf.org/meeting/cutoff-dates-2011.html#IETF82> shows a date for the draft agenda and a date for the final agenda. We try very hard to make no changes after the final agenda date. Sometimes changes are unavoidable because the Area Directors learn about WG-specific details that cause conflicts. That said, we do our best to keep to the final agenda. To my way of thinking, that's the key bit. That said, I could wish that were a week earlier than 10/21. I am planning November travel now, and expect it will include visits to Beijing, Hong Kong, and Singapore simply because I am in the region and people are making those requests. Hence, I expect to leave home 29 October. Company policy wants me to have hotels and flights sorted out two weeks earlier. So I will assume I have a Friday meeting, and if I don't I'll make the time available to my local sales people. On Aug 22, 2011, at 2:24 PM, IETF Chair wrote: > 9:00 AM - 11:00 AM - Session I > 11:00 AM - 11:20 AM - Room Change and Cookie Break > 11:20 AM - 12:20 PM - Session II > 12:10 PM - 12:30 PM - Room Change Break > 12:30 PM - 13:30 PM - Session III For those flying to Japan, the last flight leaves around 2:30, but most flights are late morning http://www.hipmunk.com/#!TPE_NRT,Nov18 This does help those going to Beijing: http://www.hipmunk.com/#!TPE_PEK,Nov18 Hong Kong is of course every hour: http://www.hipmunk.com/#!TPE_HKG,Nov18 The change does help those going to Singapore and Sydney: http://www.hipmunk.com/#!TPE_SIN,Nov18 http://www.hipmunk.com/#!TPE_SYD,Nov18 So there will be some locals and relatively-locals that can make the afternoon flight home, and more power to them. My guess is that, like me, anyone from Europe or North America who thinks they *might* have a meeting on Friday will be planning a flight home Saturday (http://www.hipmunk.com/#!TPE_SFO,Nov18). If I'm flying Saturday, shifting meetings by a couple of hours on Friday doesn't make much difference. We have a discussion of this topic every IETF meeting, and every IETF meeting there is a lot of moaning and groaning about flights home. My perspective: we all want to go home, and the trade-off I just described happens - it just happens to different groups each time. We don't have enough time in the week to avoid doing something on Friday. We all wind up with Friday meetings - for myself, in the past several years, more often than not. So the only meetings I can actually plan to fly home from on Friday are meetings on the North American west coast - even the east coast usually means I'm out too late to make the flight home. Get over it. Publish the agenda, and if that means we have to fly home Saturday, whatever. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf