+1 And aware this might mean a sizeable hike in meeting fees. The *only* wrinkle I can see is that it might be considered useful for a hotel to block out a number of rooms for booking exclusively by IETF participants, and the hotel might want to increase the price for that service (because it is a risk for them that they will not sell all the rooms). The counterpart to this is that we might have to take whatever rooms are available in nearby hotels if the "IETF" hotel sells out. But we have to go down this path anyway. An increasing number of IETF participants are booking their rooms independently, either in the IETF hotels or in nearby hotels. The result of this would appear to be the distribution of the meeting room costs across a smaller number of guest rooms leading to still higher guest room prices. Loop until done. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lou > Berger > Sent: 21 June 2011 12:48 > To: Thomas Heide Clausen; Joel Jaeggli > Cc: Henk Uijterwaal; Ole Jacobsen; ietf@xxxxxxxx; Keith Moore > Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbitant? > > I agree with Thomas, the meeting fees should cover the meetings and the > hotel bill should cover only an individual's room. This would be more > transparent! > > Please feel free to take this as criticism (of the current fee > distribution policy). > > Lou > > On 6/21/2011 1:31 AM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > > > > On Jun 21, 2011, at 06:30 , Joel Jaeggli wrote: > >> It has been repeated ad-nausieum that "conference rates" subsidize > >> the rental of the meeting room block... The fact that the > >> conference rates are more expensive ( on a contract signed 24 > >> months out) than a spot check of the room rate at any given time > >> should come as no surprise to anyone. You can cruise the IETF > >> finances if for some reason you don't believe this. If the room > >> block doesn't get filled you can expect your fees to go up > >> accordingly over time. I will observe that I have generally not > >> paid the conference rate or stayed in the meeting hotel while > >> attending the IETF on my own dime (and have stayed in some rather > >> nicer hotels (paris, stockholm, etc) for less money as a result. > >> When I attend on behalf my employer I make it clear what we paying > >> for when participating. > >> > > > > Just one additional data-point here. > > > > For some of us, getting reimbursed for a higher meeting fee is > > actually a lot easier than getting reimbursed for a higher hotel-fee. > > Such would be the case when, for example, traveling on a fixed > > per-diem intended for covering accommodation/food, but reimbursed on > > cost for the meeting fee. > > > > For me, not an eyelid would be bat if I presented a quadruple (or > > more) meeting-fee-bill -- whereas it is a recurring administrative > > hassle to actually get a hotel-bill exceeding the per-diem to pass > > accounting (and, actually quite a lottery each time if it will be > > reimbursed....) > > > > Not wanting to criticize, but I would encourage that such situations > > also be considered when making plans for the IETF meeting payment > > structure. > > > > Sincerely yours > > > > Thomas > > > > ps: Other than that, I am actually excited to go to Quebec City which > > - for those who've never been there - is a very very pleasant place > > to be. Also, when there, my French colleagues tend to mock me a whole > > lot less for my accent ;) > > > >> please look at the balance sheet here: > >> > >> http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/Meeting-Financials-2010-77.pdf > >> > >> and note both the hotel commission, a credit, and the zero charge > >> associated with meeting rooms. > >> > >> It's not clear to me that this can be made more transparent, but if > >> you'd like to try I'm sure that someone would be happy to nominate > >> you for an open iaoc position when available. > >> > >> joel _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing > >> list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf