RE: [siprec] Last Call:<draft-ietf-siprec-req-09.txt>(Use Cases andRequirements forSIP-based MediaRecording (SIPREC)) toInformational RFC

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I was thinking we needed a way to synchronize media from multiple CSs,
which may be received by the SRS from one or more SRCs. Is this not a
requirement?

Thanks,
Charles

> -----Original Message-----
> From: siprec-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:siprec-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Muthu ArulMozhi Perumal
> (mperumal)
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 1:42 PM
> To: Ram Mohan R (rmohanr); Leon Portman; Elwell, John; ietf@xxxxxxxx
> Cc: siprec@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [siprec] Last Call:<draft-ietf-siprec-req-09.txt>(Use
Cases andRequirements forSIP-based
> MediaRecording (SIPREC)) toInformational RFC
> 
> I agree with John that these seem more like part of a solution rather
> than actual requirements. In addition, sending the wallclock time at
> media start/end alone may not suffice for achieving inter-media
> synchronization and playback, instead we may need to send the
wallclock
> time periodically, like RTCP. For e.g, if there is a codec
renegotiation
> in CS the RTP timestamp can restart from a random value. If silence
> suppression is enabled there would be gaps in the RTP timestamp.
> 
> These are things that need to be discussed as part of the solution --
> the requirement itself should be generic enough, like what I
described.
> REQ-022 and REQ-023 we have doesn't seem to clearly indicate the
> purpose.
> 
> Muthu
> 
> |-----Original Message-----
> |From: Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)
> |Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 10:13 PM
> |To: Leon Portman; Elwell, John; Muthu ArulMozhi Perumal (mperumal);
> ietf@xxxxxxxx
> |Cc: siprec@xxxxxxxx
> |Subject: RE: [siprec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-siprec-req-09.txt>(Use
> Cases andRequirements for SIP-
> |based MediaRecording (SIPREC)) toInformational RFC
> |
> |We already have  attributes Start-Time / End-time in Media Stream
> block. This is for the same purpose
> |to indicate the wall clock time for start/end of media.
> |
> |Ram
> |
> |> -----Original Message-----
> |> From: siprec-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:siprec-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On
> |> Behalf Of Leon Portman
> |> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:57 PM
> |> To: Elwell, John; Muthu ArulMozhi Perumal (mperumal); ietf@xxxxxxxx
> |> Cc: siprec@xxxxxxxx
> |> Subject: Re: [siprec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-siprec-req-09.txt>(Use
> |> Cases andRequirements for SIP-based MediaRecording (SIPREC))
> |> toInformational RFC
> |>
> |> I am not sure that having wall clock only for CS start is enough,
> |> especially for partial metadata update. I will prefer to have on
> media
> |> level
> |>
> |> Leon
> |>
> |> -----Original Message-----
> |> From: Elwell, John [mailto:john.elwell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> |> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:58 PM
> |> To: Leon Portman; Muthu ArulMozhi Perumal (mperumal); ietf@xxxxxxxx
> |> Cc: siprec@xxxxxxxx
> |> Subject: RE: [siprec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-siprec-req-09.txt>
(Use
> |> Cases andRequirements for SIP-based Media Recording (SIPREC))
> |> toInformational RFC
> |>
> |> Understood, but if we have wall clock time for the start of a CS,
> |> wouldn't that be sufficient? The new requirement would cover
> |> synchronization of all media start/stops relative to that time.
> |>
> |> John (as individual)
> |>
> |>
> |> > -----Original Message-----
> |> > From: Leon Portman [mailto:Leon.Portman@xxxxxxxx]
> |> > Sent: 14 April 2011 13:19
> |> > To: Elwell, John; Muthu ArulMozhi Perumal (mperumal);
ietf@xxxxxxxx
> |> > Cc: siprec@xxxxxxxx
> |> > Subject: RE: [siprec] Last Call:
> |> > <draft-ietf-siprec-req-09.txt> (Use Cases andRequirements for
> |> > SIP-based Media Recording (SIPREC)) toInformational RFC
> |> >
> |> > Actually REQ-022 and REQ-023 describing not only requirement to
> |> > synchronize between different media streams but more importantly
> |> > ability to relate them to real world (wall) clock. It is not only
> |> > important to playback them correctly but also to know when it was
> |> > said.
> |> > One example is continue trading after closing hour (even for one
> |> > second is not allowed)
> |> >
> |> > And if these media are synchronized to wall clock then they are
> also
> |> > synchronized between them thus I am not sure if we need this
> |> > additional requirement.
> |> >
> |> > Thanks
> |> >
> |> > Leon
> |> >
> |> > -----Original Message-----
> |> > From: siprec-bounces@xxxxxxxx
> |> > [mailto:siprec-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Elwell, John
> |> > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 1:54 PM
> |> > To: Muthu ArulMozhi Perumal (mperumal); ietf@xxxxxxxx
> |> > Cc: siprec@xxxxxxxx
> |> > Subject: Re: [siprec] Last Call:
> |> > <draft-ietf-siprec-req-09.txt> (Use Cases andRequirements for
> |> > SIP-based Media Recording (SIPREC)) toInformational RFC
> |> >
> |> >
> |> >
> |> >
> |> > > -----Original Message-----
> |> > > From: siprec-bounces@xxxxxxxx
> |> > > [mailto:siprec-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muthu
> |> > ArulMozhi Perumal
> |> > > (mperumal)
> |> > > Sent: 14 April 2011 07:34
> |> > > To: ietf@xxxxxxxx
> |> > > Cc: siprec@xxxxxxxx
> |> > > Subject: Re: [siprec] Last Call:
> |> > > <draft-ietf-siprec-req-09.txt> (Use Cases andRequirements for
> |> > > SIP-based Media Recording (SIPREC)) toInformational RFC
> |> > >
> |> > > I've one major comment. It draft discusses synchronization
> |> > between the
> |> > > recorded media streams and synchronized playback, which
> |> > seem important
> |> > > for certain applications:
> |> > >
> |> > > <snip>
> |> > > Some applications require the recording of more than one
> |> > media stream,
> |> > > possibly of different types. Media are synchronized, either
> |> > at storage
> |> > > or at playback.
> |> > > </snip>
> |> > >
> |> > > However, in the requirements section it doesn't seem REQ-022
and
> |> > > REQ-023 are all that are need and sufficient to achieve this
with
> |> > > needed precision. So, I would suggest adding another
requirement
> as
> |> > > follows:
> |> > > The mechanism MUST provide means for facilitating
> |> > synchronization of
> |> > > the recorded media streams and metadata either at storage or at
> |> > > playback.
> |> > > This includes, but not limited to, the information needed as
per
> |> > > REQ-022 and REQ-023.
> |> > [JRE] This seems a reasonable addition. I wonder if the new
> |> > requirement (first sentence only) is sufficient as a
> |> > **replacement** for REQ-022 and REQ-023. On reading REQ-022 and
> |> > REQ-023 again, it is not so clear what their purpose was, and
they
> |> > seem to be more like a solution than a requirement.
> |> > One purpose would certainly be that covered by Muthu's new
> |> > requirement. Was there any other purpose?
> |> >
> |> > John
> |> >
> |> > >
> |> > > A nitpick:
> |> > > Use Case 8
> |> > > In cases where calls inside or between branches must be
recorded,
> a
> |> > > centralized recording system in data centers together with
> |> > telephony
> |> > > infrastructure (e.g. PBX) me deployed.
> |> > >
> |> > > s/me/may be
> |> > >
> |> > > Muthu
> |> > >
> |> > > |-----Original Message-----
> |> > > |From: siprec-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:siprec-bounces@xxxxxxxx]
> On
> |> > > Behalf Of The IESG
> |> > > |Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 6:20 PM
> |> > > |To: IETF-Announce
> |> > > |Cc: siprec@xxxxxxxx
> |> > > |Subject: [siprec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-siprec-req-09.txt>
> |> > > (Use Cases
> |> > > andRequirements for SIP-based
> |> > > |Media Recording (SIPREC)) toInformational RFC
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> |> > > |
> |> > > |The IESG has received a request from the SIP Recording WG
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> |> > > |consider the following document:
> |> > > |- 'Use Cases and Requirements for SIP-based Media
> |> > Recording (SIPREC)'
> |> > > |  <draft-ietf-siprec-req-09.txt> as an Informational RFC
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