Brian: >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I have just chartered a very short draft that intends to update BCP101. It can be found at: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kolkman-iasa-ex-officio-membership >> >> The draft is very short and contains only a few sentences of substance: >> >> The IETF chair, the IAB chair, and the ISOC President/CEO may >> delegate their responsibilities to other persons. The delegations by >> the IETF chair and the IAB chair need to be confirmed by the IESG and >> IAB respectively. The terms of delegation is for a longer term for >> instance aligned with the IESG and IAB appointment cycles (roughly >> anual). >> >> John Klensin made me aware he also had a similar idea earlier: >> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-klensin-iaoc-member-00.txt >> >> The main difference is between his and this draft is that John's I-D makes the person the chair delegates to a non-voting liaison. I have a small preference for the IAB and the IESG keeping the control point, and I implicitly assume that for IASA matters the persons delegated to will escalate to the chairs and ask for specific guidance when appropriate. I realize that for the Trust anybody serves on personal title. For the trust alignment with the IAOC membership is just a practical considerations. >> >> The shared requirement is unloading the I* chairs and the ISOC president and empowering the people that serve in that role to organize themselves. (I should have paid more attention to this much earlier.) > > I find myself very torn on this proposal. Believe me, I understand the > workload issue. But on the other hand, at the very beginning of my > time as IETF Chair, I experienced the *previous* workload issue, > when there was no IASA, IAD or IAOC. There was a dramatic decrease > when the IAD arrived and the IAOC (and Trust) started to function. > But the IETF Chair, as a full member of the IAOC, still got to > understand the ongoing issues and of course influence the decision > process. Yes, it was part of the workload, and I think that was > a good thing. I'm very concerned about the IETF Chair getting decoupled > from the IAOC. The IETF Chair's job is a whole lot more than being > IESG Chair, and some degree of personal responsibility for oversight of > the administrative work seems to me to be appropriate. > > So I'm not at all sure this delegation is a good thing. > > I'm not commenting on the IAB Chair and ISOC CEO slots. Delegation > probably makes sense for them. I completely understand you points. I do not plan to delegate my seat. However, it is quite painful to open a BCP and make changes. I can imagine a future where delegation might be appropriate. For this reason, I am in favor of opening up the BCP only once to insert this capability for all of the ex-officio seats. Russ _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf