>>>>> "David" == David Morris <dwm@xxxxxxxxx> writes: >> Partly. I also expect "VPN" use to get reduced, since 90% of VPNs >> are really just remote-access systems necessary due to NAT, not >> security. David> In my experince, VPNs are used for secure connections between David> two private networks ... the existance of NAT is incidental David> to the objectives of the network owners. Firewalls, yes, NAT, David> n/a. Of course, I'm not rejecting this use. That's the 10% that I didn't mention. If you take the pool of IPv4 speaking endpoints that have IPsec running, I'm claiming that 90% of those are doing some kind of remote-access situation. While you might argue the remaining 10% of site-to-site VPNs might overshadow the 90% in terms of backbone traffic, that wasn't my point. Further, about every third question the Freeswan/openswan support gets is basically: how do I run IPsec when both my gateways are behind NAPT? (and I want to use IKEv1 with main mode with PSK auth...) The answer is that you can't do it if your identity is ID_IPV4. -- ] He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life! | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[ Kyoto Plus: watch the video <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzx1ycLXQSE> then sign the petition. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf