>>>>> "Fred" == Fred Baker <fred@xxxxxxxxx> writes: Fred> I'm not a security guru, and will step aside instantly if Fred> someone with those credentials says I'm wrong. However, from Fred> my perspective, the assertion that IPv6 had any security Fred> properties that differed from IPv4 *at*all* has never made any Fred> sense. It is essentially a marketing claim, and - well, we all Fred> have marketing departments. I think I am a security guru, and I agree with you 95%. The major *security* advantage of IPv6 is that it removes 90% of complexity of IPv4 networks that results from layers of NAT, and then series of port-forwards through them. Do you realize that a 30 year old IT "professional" likely has never been on the Internet? Seriously. They got a home "router" for their DSL connection in 1997 when they were 17... they have spent their entire "adult" life behind some kind of IPv4 NAT. I once spent some time with a few such young people, and I came to understand that they were profoundly confused about what home "routers" do--- they assumed that all *routers* everywhere on the Internet do NAT. After all, *CISCO* routers run the world, and CISCO owns Linksys... Therefore a 3% security advantage of IPv6 is that it requires that know-it-all young people and you-can't-teach-me-anything grey beards have to learn new things and therefore have a better chance that they will get correct information. The other 2% is that when you get what appears to be attack from 2607:f0b0:f:3::178 via some internal network (on the wrong side of your firewall), you have a way better chance of tracing it than if the attack comes from 10.10.10.178. That contractor PC with outgoing PPTP tunnel didn't mean to advertise your 10.10.10.0/24 network to my 10.10.10.0/24 network via OSPF, it just "happened". The above will, I think, be a daily occurance in the world of SmartGrid for the first 10 years. -- ] He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life! | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[ Kyoto Plus: watch the video <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzx1ycLXQSE> then sign the petition. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf