Suppose we held an IAOC meeting in some commercial meeting room venue (virtual or real). Suppose one of us as an individual had to pay the fee for the use of the room in advance on behalf of the IAOC (or ISOC really). In such circumstances I would expect the individual to be reimbursed at some point. I can imagine many similar scenarios and I think the rule as stated is clear enough: no member of the IAOC (except the IAD) is being paid for their services, expenses is something quite different. I am sure there are other parts of the organization where similar discretionary rules apply, and this isn't a protocol spec. I agree with Henk that if this seems non-transparent we should publish the actual expenses paid in our minutes. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Sun, 12 Sep 2010, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > Adrian, > > > I have absolutely no doubt of the integrity of the IAOC and its chair, but this > > rule is somewhat vague and open to interpretation. It is like using the word > > "appropriate" in a protocol spec! > > Yes, true, but this is really a rare exception. In the 1.5 years that I've > been on the IAOC, I don't remember a case where expenses were made and > reimbursed. That makes it hard to be more precise here. > > > Could you look at qualifying this in some way to scope the exceptional > > circumstances. Perhaps payment of expenses would be made only if the payment has > > been agreed before the expense was incurred? > > If the IAOC members wanted to claim expenses that should not be reimbursed, > this rule would be easy to circumvent. If this is a concern, then I'd > suggest that the IAOC simply publishes what expenses were paid. > > Henk > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous Politician. > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf