Sorry - forgot to add:
"or portion thereof" refers to things like design teams, not a random group of people who happened to sit in the WG session.
Mike
At 02:40 PM 8/11/2010, Michael StJohns wrote:
>Andrew -
>
>Interesting take but one that probably isn't supported by the black letter reading of the Note Well.
>
>In general, the Note Well describes the class of things that might be contributions, but for them to become actionable contributions, they need to make it into the IETF record. I assume anything I say at the microphone in a WG meeting can and will make it to the record - I further assume that anything I happen to say to someone sitting next to me in that WG won't unless and until one of us gets up and goes to the mike.
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>Or as Tom Clancy pointed out - "If you don't write it down, it didn't happen".
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>Or to stretch the analogy further - if I send an email to you and CC the ietf or namedroppers list, that's a contribution. If I send you a private email about say PKIX to you as a non-WG chair, that's not a contribution. If I send you a private email about something related to DNSEXT to you as the WG chair, it MAY become a contribution if added to the record and you as WG chair may choose to add it to the record in some form.
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>So, no, private conversations even on WG topics, even at the IETF meeting venue not in the context of a WG or plenary or other official communications are not contributions unless and until added to the record.
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>Mike
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>At 01:46 PM 8/11/2010, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>>On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:30:35AM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>>> Contribution". Such statements include oral statements in IETF sessions,
>>> as well as written and electronic communications made at any time or
>>> place, which are addressed to:
>>>
>>> * Any IETF working group or portion thereof
>>
>>IETF WGs are made up of their participants. Participants are so
>>defined by their participation in some WG activity such as a meeting,
>>or reading the mailing list, or something like that. So, if you come
>>to an IETF meeting and make some side comment about anything that went
>>on in a WG meeting to someone else who was somehow participating in
>>that WG (say by reading the list or going to the same meeting), then
>>your comment is a contribution under my reading. ("Portion thereof"
>>just means "at least one participant", as far as I can tell. It isn't
>>otherwise defined that I can see.)
>>
>>So it's perhaps not quite true that anything that anyone says in a
>>hallway discussion is a contribution; but something like that must be
>>pretty close. The definition of "contribution" is extremely broad, I
>>think.
>>
>>A
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