On 08/04/2010 15:03 EDT, Melinda Shore wrote: > On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:30 AM, John C Klensin wrote: >> I think that, in theory, the IESG has the ability to "solve" >> many of these problems by adopting a management doctrine that >> groups get meeting resources only if they can justify them on >> the basis of posted drafts and active discussion of those drafts >> on mailing lists. > > I participated (kinda) in this meeting remotely, and it's > really become quite noticeable the extent to which the > work of the IETF is now done in meetings rather than on > mailing lists. Part of this is that while the audio > streaming has gotten quite excellent, the jabber support > has deteriorated quite badly. There used to be a few > sessions in which there was no jabber scribing and now it's > more common than not. When I'm doing meeting notes, I like to focus on the meeting notes and then do incremental copy/paste dumps of those notes into the jabber conference whenever I have idle moments. That way only one person is required for both meeting notes and "scribing", and you're never without a jabber scribe (since notes are required). However, someone else needs to monitor what's going on in jabber in order to act as a proxy and relay comments or questions to the group. > While I suppose it's a natural > consequence of the much improved audio quality I would suspect it's just that people have found jabbering awkward and with little return all along, so now that the honeymoon is over they're not bothering. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf