On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:30 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > I think that, in theory, the IESG has the ability to "solve" > many of these problems by adopting a management doctrine that > groups get meeting resources only if they can justify them on > the basis of posted drafts and active discussion of those drafts > on mailing lists. I participated (kinda) in this meeting remotely, and it's really become quite noticeable the extent to which the work of the IETF is now done in meetings rather than on mailing lists. Part of this is that while the audio streaming has gotten quite excellent, the jabber support has deteriorated quite badly. There used to be a few sessions in which there was no jabber scribing and now it's more common than not. While I suppose it's a natural consequence of the much improved audio quality it has the unfortunate side-effect of making it that much more difficult to comment remotely during the session. Far more disturbing, however, was the session in which the chair looked for volunteers, but limited volunteers to people physically present. I wonder if raising the bar on meeting space allocation by expecting more pre-meeting mailing list activity won't also have the effect of reversing this trend and making the IETF function better for people participating remotely. Melinda _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf