On Jul 30, 2010, at 14:54, Jari Arkko wrote: > people consistently referring to the meetings as "BOFs", The fix is to call the formal working group formation planning meetings "working group formation planning meetings", not to stop calling the literal BoF meetings "BoFs". A lot of conferences have a good BoF system, with schedules and all, and these can be very nice informal, productive meetings, with or without a projector present. (Providing a scheduling raster for BoFs so their location and timing is not a poorly plannable overlay to the secretariat's scheduling might help us, too, but I'm not entirely sure about that.) > the only real bar BoF that I attended was horrible in terms of being able to hear what the other people said. I'm not a native English speaker, and my brain is optimized for symbolic processing, not for maximum likelihood decoding. In my 17 years of IETF experience, almost no real "bar" BoF has been useful for me (i.e., has allowed me to be useful). Tabled meeting spaces like the ones we had in Dublin and here in Maastricht have been most useful for focused point work. The meeting room with a round (oval) table arrangement and a projector we had for the 6lowapp "bar" BoF (yes, there was real beer) was great for the 10 minutes of focus talk and 1 hour of focused discussion that helped define the problem and ultimately led to the CoRE WG. Meetings in nice, quiet restaurants have been great for breaking the ice and subtly making progress at solving political problems -- if the group wasn't too large for that. And even the little WG chair job that yours truly tries to fulfill leaves me exhausted after an IETF week, and I have no idea how you all in I* survive that week. Gruesse, Carsten [still using my backup mail address until certain MTU issues are fixed.] _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf