On 7/25/2010 8:34 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > On 7/25/10 6:21 AM, Fred Baker wrote: >> On Jul 25, 2010, at 6:07 AM, John R. Levine wrote: >> >>> The ability of users to sign up from throwaway accounts doesn't >>> seem to have been a big problem in practice, but it does make it >>> hard to claim that the lists are free of submarine patent trolls. >> A person's identity and their behavior are two different things. I >> would presume that every IETF working group or BOF list has at least >> one person on it who is lurking in the discussion for the purpose of >> filing a frivolous lawsuit later. Not sure how we can prevent that. > lurking does not in our definition amount to a contribution. Isnt the real issue with anonymity is that it makes it impossible to verify the assignment of rights through NoteWell and the other participatory practices here in the IETF? Isn't there a requirement to allow people to be able to do proper diligence on IETF IP's? If so then then the legal staff of any relying party needs to be able to find all of the people who participated to verify that they did all of their proper notifications to their sponsors and the like. That all the proper use agreements and power-of-attorney between the Sponsor and their representatives is properly in place... you know the stuff all of our employers need from parties when they do diligence on use of Intellectual Properties from that party. Since the IETF doesn't do these things the people relying on the IETF's use license must do that diligence or face the potential of being bitch-slapped with litigation when it turns out that someone in the IETF lied about their practices. This is a very serious outcome that the IETF should want to avoid. That said - there should be a "you are required to" I-D I think that is a concise statement of what you are required to do to use IETF Intellectual Protocols and what is and is not warranted about them. Its currently split across multiple documents making it very difficult to create in one place a statement of proper control for IETF Intellectual Properties. Todd >> http://www.ipinc.net/IPv4.GIF >> >> _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
