Obviously, I started this process as an I-D, so I'm not necessarily
opposed to having the privacy policy exist as an RFC. But in
conversations with the IAOC and others, it seemed as though the RFC
process might have two drawbacks for this kind of document:
1) While the RFC process is community consensus-based, the designation
of IETF policies about personal data handling is not necessarily so.
The policies around the RFID experiment at IETF 76 [1] and the
policies around admission control data for IETF 78 and 79 [2] are both
examples of this -- these policies were developed by the IAOC and
others, and while in some cases they may have been put out to the
community for comment after they were developed, their initial
development was certainly not done via the community consensus-based
model. Ideally the IETF privacy policy would document all of these
policies before they come into force. If the privacy policy was an
RFC, the substance of these policies would be subject to community
review and would require consensus as well.
2) If the privacy policy is to be accurate, I do think it would change
more often than an average RFC (considering things like the RFID
experiment and the admission control for upcoming IETFs). Furthermore,
even if changes are infrequent, they may come up quickly. A good
privacy policy would document these changes before they occur. I think
the argument can be made that if the policy has to go through the RFC
process for each change, the changes may not be documented before they
actually occur.
With that said, laying out the core of the policy in an RFC and then
having a speedier mechanism to publish changes (which can also be
incorporated into the core policy when the RFC publication schedule
allows) seems like a decent option.
Alissa
On Jul 6, 2010, at 2:39 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
--On Monday, July 05, 2010 11:40 AM -0700 Dave CROCKER
<dhc2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Marshall,
On 7/5/2010 11:28 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
I assume (for I do not know) that people are worried about
time involved in bringing a new RFC to publication.
The IESG often states that it is not difficult to bring an RFC
to publication.
In any event, what makes this document more urgent, and in
need of less scrutiny and processing, that any other potential
RFC?
Personally, I would expect a document that attends to
explicitly and complexly legal concerns to need /more/
scrutiny than an entry-level technical specification, not less.
Agreed.
I don't see why this couldn't be divided in the way that the
Trust Legal Provisions have been :
- a RFC to set the _goals_ and basic framework of the privacy
policy, which might change something like every 5 years (or
less often if we are lucky) and
You expect the privacy policy, itself, to change more
frequently than this?
I would hope not (either), but experience indicates that we have
even more trouble getting legal documents right than we do
protocol documents. Having a lightweight and speedy mechanism
for correcting an incorrect realization of a policy outline laid
out by the IETF seems reasonable. While I agree with you (Dave)
that getting the policy principles in place should not be so
urgent as to justify being done in haste, our experience
(especially in the IPR area, which is likely to involve the same
lawyers, both professional and amateur) has been that,
sometimes, making a correction to specific mechanisms already
deployed may be urgent.
Also, the implication of your suggestion is that we would have
a goals and framework document /after/ we have actual
policies. This seems a bit, ummmm, backward. It would make
more sense to have the two in one document, absent some
expectation of one being more stable than the other.
I did not read that into Marshall's note but assumed that we
would lay out the policy principles (the "goals and framework
document") in the IETF first and then proceed to instruct the
IASA to generate a specific policy statement for community
review. "Policies first" would seem backwards to me too...
to put it mildly.
john
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