I partly agree with David,
and I don't understand the statement, why "that use of a day pass does not count as IETF meeting attendance"?
They also pay registration fare to IETF, stay at the meeting venue in the meeting week (although only one day) with other
participants together, and face-to-face talk about IETF topics......
Regards,
Xiangsong
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Morris" <dwm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "IETF" <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: "IESG" <iesg@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Last Call: Policy Statement on the Day Pass Experiment
I think the number of meetings 'registered' for is a poor criteria
for familiarity with IETF culture and more important familiarity
with the participation of the potential nominees being considered
for leadership roles in the IETF.
In the pre-day pass days, I paid full fare more than once but only
attended a day or two of each meeting. This year, when I used a
day pass, I might have opted to attend two WG meetings on two days
requiring regular registration but not seen any more of the IETF
culture than I did with a single day pass.
I'm certain there are others with similar attendance patterns. There was a
time when I'd have met the 3 of 5 criteria but not the spirit of the
requirement.
In reality, attending on a day pass is probabaly as useful a measure of
commitment to the IETF culture as paying the full fare. Part of the IETF
culture as I know it is that people self-qualify for responsiblity and
I'd expect most folks know if they are qualified, whether they attended
via day pass or full registration. You can't assume that because someone
registered for the full week, that they participated in the full culture.
A day pass plus attending the Sunday reception and evening plenaries is
probably a better parcipant than full registration to attend 3 isolated
WG meetings. So I'd suggest 1 full registration over the past 3 years plus
at least two day pass meetings in the last 5 opportunities.
Dave Morris
On Thu, 6 May 2010, The IESG wrote:
The IESG is considering the following Statement on the Day Pass
Experiment. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks on
a policy statement, and the IESG actively solicits comments on this
action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@xxxxxxxx mailing
lists by 2010-05-20. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to
iesg@xxxxxxxx instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of
the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
= = = = = = = =
RFC 3777 requires that voting members of the nominating committee
(NomCom) be selected from volunteers that have attended at least three
of the last five IETF meetings. The IAOC is conducting a day pass
experiment, making it necessary to augment the NomCom eligibility rules
to address IETF participants that make use of a day pass. An update to
RFC 3777 to will be needed to address this situation if at the end of
the experiment the IAOC decides to make day passes a regular meeting
registration alternative; however, a BCP update for an experiment is
overkill.
The IESG observes that attending a single day of the IETF meeting is not
sufficient for a new participant to learn the culture of the IETF or the
qualities that would make an effective IETF leader. Further, ongoing
exposure to the IETF standards process is necessary to appreciate the
significance and importance of cross-area review.
The eligibility requirements of volunteers for NomCom voting member
positions are provided in RFC 3777, which includes:
14. Members of the IETF community must have attended at least 3 of
the last 5 IETF meetings in order to volunteer.
In the context of the day pass experiment, this is interpreted to mean:
14. IETF participants must have attended at least 3 of the last 5
IETF meetings in order to volunteer, and that use of a day pass
does not count as IETF meeting attendance.
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