--On Friday, April 23, 2010 10:20 +0300 Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > John, > >> the expectation is that >> they will use discretion and initiate a community [re]review >> of proposed changes when appropriate. >> > > ... and I think that is already happening. We do bring > documents back at times, either completely bringing them back > in the process or confirm a change with the working group. Yes. I hope it has been clear that I'm not convinced that we have a significant problem in this area. I was responding to what seemed to be otherwise-unchallenged (except by the two of us) suggestions that we add a lot of process and reviews to the document editing and publication cycle. If there is any issue at all, I think there are two "virtual knobs" that might need to be adjusted slightly: (1) How much change can be made during IESG review by "RFC Editor notes" versus having new drafts posted so the RFC Editor gets clean copy and the community gets a chance to look. I think that sometimes there have been errors on the side of doing too much in such notes and that posting a new draft instead is rarely harmful. It is, however, clearly a judgment call, not something about which I think an attempt at firm rules would be worth the effort. (2) What kinds of changes can be made at AUTH48 without bringing documents back at that stage and initiating an additional review. Again a judgment call. Again, I think that some things that should have been re-reviewed after changes have not been. I don't have nearly enough data to know whether things have been pulled back than didn't need it. But, unlike the "spin a new I-D before the document goes to the RFC Editor" case, taking a document back to a WG has real and significant costs, so good judgment is very important. I suspect we are in violent agreement. john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf