This is only true for EUROPEAN issued credit cards (some of which have chips and some which don't). You can get a PIN for your US credit card, but it will NOT work for credit card purchases, only as your PIN for cash advances (like an ATM card). There is no PIN required when using US-based cards for purchases, and if you are asked to provide one, the PIN you have been given for cash advances will NOT work. Yes, it is confusing to say the least. I agree that we should move this to a new list: ietf-78 which I hereby ask Ray to create. Ole On Tue, 30 Mar 2010, Dmitry Burkov wrote: > > Wrong - cards - both as credits and debits work without any chips - only PIN > required - Visa and Mastercard. > > Dima _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf