Re: [77all] No Host for IETF 77

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Agree. This was just in response to the "IETF is bought" message.

This disclosure in important for identifying bias, I think.

On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:03 AM, todd glassey wrote:

> On 3/23/2010 10:20 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Yoav Nir <ynir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> The corporate name on my nametag is there only because I filled that field
>>> in the registration form. Others haven't and don't have a corporation name.
> 
> When a corporation sends a representative to the IETF and their business
> is network or network impacted anything then that party is deriving
> benefit from the participation of that representative.
> 
> So in the interest of disclosure ALL of the members of the IETF have the
> right to know who is paying for everyone elses participation. Work for
> Hire law makes their actions 'on behalf of the sponsor' no matter what
> pretty much and as such there is a legal and ethical responsibility to
> disclose that information fully IMHO.
> 
> 
> Todd
> 
>>> 
>>> Besides, the corporation name is there not because Check Point has "bought"
>>> the IETF, but so that if I say that everyone should use a firewall, people
>>> will take that with the appropriate grain of salt.
> 
> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Affiliations are normally listed on IETF documents and badges for the
>> purpose of assisting in identifying the person so affiliated.
>> 
>> Donald
>> 
>> 
>>> Anyway, if we're raising money for the IETF, someone should have made IETF
>>> 77 T-shirts for sale. They last longer than green dots, and give you
>>> bragging rights.
>>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:12 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C (ATTLABS) wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Guess you are not that street smart, look at the corporation names on
>>>> the name tags... IETF is bought....
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>> Dave CROCKER
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:19 PM
>>>> To: Thomson, Martin
>>>> Cc: IETF Discussion
>>>> Subject: Re: [77all] No Host for IETF 77
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/22/2010 5:59 PM, Thomson, Martin wrote:
>>>>> "This working group brought to you by<Dave Crocker>"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just after note well.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Right, but some working groups will have multiple offers for
>>>> sponsorship.
>>>> 
>>>> Should there be a premium charge for the more popular working groups?
>>>> 
>>>> There also might be some spoofing, where someone pays to have /you/
>>>> listed as
>>>> sponsor of the wg.  That leads to the possibility of your paying for a
>>>> de-listing...
>>>> 
>>>> d/
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>>  Dave Crocker
>>>>  Brandenburg InternetWorking
>>>>  bbiw.net
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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