Dear colleagues, On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 04:47:44PM -0500, John C Klensin wrote: > I wish that that IESG (or some few of its members; I don't know) > were not insisting on even that much, but there seem to be > nothing that can be done about it without the loss of much more > time (remember that Independent Submission publications have > been blocked for many months by the side-effects of this > situation). All of the to-ing and fro-ing about this document has finally made me sit up and read it. I have the impression from the archives that at least some people are concerned about the dispute resolution mechanism; there seems to be a suggestion about that it impinges on the traditional freedoms of the RFC Editor. I haven't made up my mind about that, but I am curious why the section is being included anyway. The first two sentences of Section 4 all but say that this is a problem that has never happened. The only motivation the document supplies is that there could be a dispute, and that it'd be nice to have a way of solving the dispute if it were needed. There's no mechanism at all in RFC 3932, as I read it. My experience of this sort of formalism leads me to believe that, when there is no formal mechanism, everyone is forced to act in good faith to hammer out a compromise; whereas once there's a well-established set of rules in place to handle disagreements, there's very little incentive to avoid cranking up that machinery for even very small disputes. (Social pressure doesn't work, because the retort is always that this is what the mechanism is for.) So I'd find it really useful to know what problem this dispute resolution mechanism is actually supposed to solve. I also wonder whether those in favour of the mechanism have worked through the potential workload that would result from high-frequency application of this mechanism, and whether IESG or IAB (or both) members have the time to invest in such an eventuality. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxx Shinkuro, Inc. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf