--On Wednesday, November 18, 2009 06:09 +0900 Dave CROCKER <dhc2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... >> approving bodies). This is why we have discussed all the >> changes. I do not see a lot of other options than the >> compromise position if completing 3932bis and the rest of >> the system of changes is the goal. > > In a private exchange that Russ was conducting over the last > few weeks, I suggested a mediation model, with the IAB > reviewing the RFC Editor's decision, but only authorized to > make a recommendation, rather than mandating the change. He > reported that others he was talking with insisted on the > current "arbitration" model that mandates change. Dave, While I agree with you in principle, I suggest that the current text is reasonable, if only because the IAB always has the right to say to the RFC Editor (either ISE or RSE) "do what we tell you or you will be fired". I would expect the IAB to exercise that particular authority only after everything else has failed and it is clear to almost everyone that things are out of control, but that is not a question for 3932bis. As the text now reads, the IAB can be asked to conduct a review, but can decline to do so (consistent with RFC 4846 and nothing new). And, if the IAB conducts such a review, it can instruct the RFC Editor has to how to proceed, but can also decide to not do that and simply provide advice (the latter is, again, consistent with 4846). I wish that that IESG (or some few of its members; I don't know) were not insisting on even that much, but there seem to be nothing that can be done about it without the loss of much more time (remember that Independent Submission publications have been blocked for many months by the side-effects of this situation). But, in its present form, it seems relatively harmless in practice and it would be good to get on with this and unlock the Independent Stream publications. Just my opinion, of course. john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf