At 02:32 PM 10/11/2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: >I believe that the IETF has not previously challenged a venue on the basis of political or social concerns. We've sometimes challenged it for matters of logistics and cost, but not social policy. > >I think it is an extremely dangerous precedent for us to change this. We are a very diverse community and we are not formed with social policy as a goal. As a group, we have no history with such discussions, nor do I believe that as a body we have the skills. I strongly agree with you on this. Unfortunately for this instance many folk are conflating the matters of logistics and cost with the social policies of the PRC making it difficult to concentrate on the former without dealing with all the emotional content tied up in the latter. I'd really like us to avoid "boycott" and "what message would it send to the world" in our discussions of whether or not this site (or for that matter any other) is acceptable for holding IETFs. Unfortunately, both "sides" seem to find these concepts useful as part of their talking points for interestingly different reasons. Ah well... Mike _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf