Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

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Syephan,

You said:

"I had a leadership role in a large, semi-political organization, I 
 would not have argued strongly in favor or against a proposal on 
 which the leadership asks the community for input. Not even in a
 private capacity."

If that was aimed at me, then let me state for the record that I have
not attempted to argue for or against the proposal, just tried to 
clarify what I think the issues are and what the underlying issues 
might be with respect to holding a meeting in China. If my statements
were read otherwise, then I apologize.

I have no "skin in this game" as they say, and if we end up not 
meeting in China that's completely fine with me. I just want to make 
sure that we (as a community) decide this based on facts and not FUD,
especially since we have a great host, an excellent venue and so on.
The reason we asked the community for input is that this IS indeed an 
unusual situation and it would not be prudent to proceed (in any 
direction) without the kind of input that has been received. (And one
more time: I agree that the contract clause is unacceptable, at 
least if taken literally).

As for grouping people into categories, I am not sure how useful that
is either, since, as you say, some people may belong to both groups
(and there are probably more groups we can come up with). But I will
point out that we do have a set of criteria for meeting venue 
selection and some of the items brought up in this discussion are
not part of those criteria. Perhaps they should be, but they are not
currently.

Ole


Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
Cisco Systems
Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
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