Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

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Mike,

Then I am afraid you really misread my comments. There are indeed 
folks who are suggesting that China should be avoided for political
reasons (see the list for examples, I see no need to repeat it here), 
and I would characterize that as a boycott.

This is completely separate from the discussion about the hotel 
contract and legal provisions, unless that was unclear. 

In other words, we may decide that we cannot hold a normal meeting in 
China due to laws or contract language or any other "normal criteria 
for meetings", but I am a lot less certain about what political 
criteria we could agree on for avoiding any country. I am not saying 
we can't have that discussion, but I am saying that it becomes a lot 
less clear who "we" are given the large and growing number of 
participants from the country in question.

I have been largely speaking for myself. The original statement from 
Marshall does have phrases like "the IAOC believes..." but as I 
explained previously, no final decision has been made, and whatever
snapshot of opinion was taken 3 weeks ago isn't necessarily accurate
today. I do take your point. Consider everything I've said so far as 
my personal opinion, based on what I know and my experience in 
attending meetings in China.

Ole

Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
Cisco Systems
Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Michael StJohns wrote:

> Hi Ole - 
> 
> Sorry, but I read your comments as partisan as well.  I took the use 
> of "boycott" and "what sort of message would we be sending" in your 
> recent messages as a clear bias in favor of going to the PRC.
> 
> I'm not all that bothered about it per se, but it has been hard to 
> tell when its Ole the individual as opposed to Ole the IAOC member 
> speaking.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> At 12:39 PM 10/11/2009, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> >If that was aimed at me, then let me state for the record that I have
> >not attempted to argue for or against the proposal, just tried to 
> >clarify what I think the issues are and what the underlying issues 
> >might be with respect to holding a meeting in China. If my statements
> >were read otherwise, then I apologize.
> 
> 
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